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POST #1

I am new to the forum, but just saw Amma yesterday and heard all the
things you are discussing with my own ears. Amma was talking about
the disapearing bees and a coming nuclear war that would cause mass
suffering. The only way to possibly avoid it, was to change the
desire for war by becoming selfless, meditating, etc. She said that
humanity had built up a lot of very bad Karma that could never be
expiated, but that people could help in a small way by meditating,
giving to charities, helping the poor, etc. She also said the planet
would actually be better off without humans as we are the ones
destroying the planet (global warming). She recommended carpooling to
reduce greenhouse emmisions. I think it may have been a taped talk.
I was outside the actual room getting some food, but they were
playing it over a loud speaker while she was giving darshan. It felt
like a brainwashing tape to me as she droned on and on about how
selfish the colonial first world countries were for using up all the
planet's resources. (I just recently met with a friend recently back
from India who described New Delhi as the most crowded and smogiest
place she'd ever seen. My mother just came back from China and said
the same thing about it.)
I met Amma in 1995, became an instant devotee until 2000, when I had
a run-in with a friend and fellow devotee (questioning how she could
be an vegetarian but militantly support abortion; so its okay to kill
human babies, but not chickens?) and then had a major run in with
Amma in the form of Kali. This made me reexamined the whole Hindu
duality concept and also the idea of karma, which when I compared it
with the forgiveness doctrine of Christ, came up lacking. (Why would
God punish small children for acts they had committed in past lives
and couldn't even remember?) I am not trying to prosletyze here, just
explain my own path out of Amma's cult.
Yesterday when I heard her talk I have to admit my anti-christ
detector went off big time! (I don't think of anti-christ as a
person, but rather as those who are opposed to Christianity and the
teachings of Christ) The last time I went to see Amma(2 years ago)
they played a tape of her speaking at the UN where she attacked
Christianity as a religion that did not have a female balance to it
and was causing much of the violence and aggression in the world. She
said Islam was a more balance religion than Christianity as far as
respecting females (???????? that really made me wonder where she was
coming from.)
I still go and see her once a year when she comes to town as I know
so many people in her group (while I was a devotee I attended
satsang, went on tour and to many retreats, hung out in San Ramon,
housed devotees at my house during the tour, etc.) Most of the people
I met I felt were very good people and I enjoy seeing them once a
year, but I am getting such a very creepy feeling from the rhetoric I
hear when I am there and all the "industry" that has grown around her
and her organization, that I am starting to question if the woman
isn't downright evil? When I got out of the cult, I wrote her off as
a very nice lady (human - not divine as I had once believed), who was
really trying to do good in the world, but wasn't for me as I had
accepted Jesus as my "guru."


POST #2  (Not related to the first post)
Wow_______
you're further out there than I thought...
You sound very much like you are still a devotee scared to call amma what she is.  Amma is a buck-toothed, money-grubbing, obese village girl from Kerala who has a knack for occult practices. 
Built into her (and just about every other modern hindu guru)  system is the disclaimer: "I am Kali as well, I am ignorance, I will molest children (sai baba) this is the nature of the world, duality, you must still worship me, for these things are a test of your faith".  I have heard amma preaching this rubbish.  So no matter what the guru does, you are told that they are above the law and are acting in a way that your miniscule consciousness cannot understand.  It is the ultimate form of disempowerment.
You are repeating this common word game that is juggled around there at the ashram like a parrot.  "She is not limited to that, she is beyond description, it is my experience of her that has changed", blah blah blah...  This just demonstrates the utter control she has over your mind. Until you discard once and for all the notion that she is superior to you and is directing your life, you will never be free or help others away from "gurudom" as you back-pedaled at the end of your letter. 
Which side are you on exactly?  Walking the fence eh?  Too scared to cut the umbilocal chord?  And what the hell are you talking about forgetting that she ever existed to move forward?  How can you forget someone you focussed on for years?  It is like an abusive relationship.  If my ex husband beat the shit out of me for years I would hate him but you say the act of hating him makes me his devotee?  What nonesense!  Of course in time all ex decotees will remember her less.  I would probably seldom think about her were it not for this group which i joined to help other people from making my costly mistake.  So thank you for your regurgitated amma programing, but I am not "still a devotee" because I resent the fact that her org is siphoning millions of dollars from unsuspecting americans in the name of false charities this moment.  And I am "moving forward".
Seriously, you need to come more into your frontal lobe if you want to have a discussion here.  We don't want to hear your wishy-washy advaitism about how its all good even if amma is a crook and how it is teaching us something in its mystical wickedness.  Why dont you just say how spiritual Dick Cheney is and how halliburton is really a charitable orginization?  Why does your non dual philosophy only apply to your guru?
I feel sorry for you.  You think amma is described in revelations as some cosmic being because she wears white,  and that you are a "spiritual person" who will stop the world from spiralling into darkness.  If thats what you chose to believe you will see everything just like that.  Your mind will be stuck on that channel until your change it.  I think the biggest sadhana you could perform or rather, step you could take is realizing what a crock this religion really is.  Have you ever asked yourself who had control of these spiritual books (gitas, puranas, etc..) that you endlessly quote and control your thought processes?  The kings, thats who.  The kings of bharat mould the hindu scripture to make a bunch of complacent citizens. 
So think about what you are accepting as truth next time you drink a tall glass of urine...